No way out of what?

Wilson regretted that he sold the people out to the few money interests.

If this wasn't arlonet...but it is.

That's all you know?

Henry Ford (You know that nut that wanted to pay his workers enough to buy the cars they built.) said about this, ''If Americans understood their banking system, I believe that there would be a revolution by tomorrow morning.'' At least some are waking up to the poverty of Detroit today. But Jafo, will blame that on Unions, and it being such a great economic success on the capitalism that that built junk cars in the 70s. But hell, at least America did rebuild Japan, after 2 nukes, and many other bombings of innocent civilians. 10,000 to 1 odds Jafo understand this, not.

hi leo
according to this it looks like ron paul did not vote one way or another on the gramm leach bliley act (the thing that repealed provisions of the glass steagall as i understand it)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h1999-570

Was that before or after he said: “If fans wish to know the trouble with American baseball they have it in three words—too much Jew.”



First of all, it is a direct result of unions that Detroit is a relative rusty wasteland compared to what it used to be. That's ok Leo, just believe that raising the price on products through outrageously high salaries and benefits has no affect. Let me know how that works at your coop if you ever get off the system.

The amount of destruction the earth and civilians would have received would have been many more times that had the allies actually had to invade Japan.. There were no innocent Japanese civilians, they would have all manned guns to shoot at allies as they invaded. Stop rewriting history. Those two bombs saved more lives than they ever took. But that's ok, I for one am happy that we bombed them. My grandfather served in the Pacific and I am so happy he is alive as opposed to our enemy of that war.

No use wasting my breath, I'll leave the blowing to you. It makes no difference, since you have annointed yourself as the one with the final word on what is or isn't historical and philosophical "fact."


"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth--persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." ~ John F. Kennedy

My sincere advice to you is to heed Mark Twain's admonishment:

"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts."

Unusual choice of emotional response to catastrophic death and destruction. Are you also "happy" we committed genocide on Native Americans? So much better them than us?

At least as scientific as yours...

Vastly more scientific, in my opinion. Science requires an open mind. And while you both possess extensive knowledge, Goofus has wisdom. The former is essentially useless for philosophical thinking and discussion without the latter.

I'm made as hell and we are not going to take it anymore.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2oyAG2/ww ... b2-HBsF08/

Was the first to say, ''Glad we got the heavy water before Germany did, or else we never would have had The Beatles.''

So because Ford didn't like the Zionist Jews, as I also don't, anything he says is meaningless?

''When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross and a Bible.''-partly paraphrased of a Sinclier guy. Its here now. First thing it did in Germany was outlaw the Unions.

It is too bad that the UAW didn't buy General Motors, for then we wouldn't have had to bail out G.M.

It should have always been easier for Mexicans to come here to keep from starving. That's another failure of DC. But Jafo types, always blame everything on the people.

Thanks for the update of Paul with G.S. Agnes.

Oooh, how clever.. Do you often use homophobic insults to make your scientifically open minded and wisdom filled points?



"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth--persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." ~ John F. Kennedy[/quote]

Yes, beliefs in myths like capitalism was responsible for the great depression. I would agree with Kennedy, though he probably made that up while sleeping around hopped up on pain killers, but ok..



"A witty saying proves nothing." -- Voltaire



I am happy we prevailed and they lost yes. Do you wish it was the other way around?



Yeah, post some facts, or at least an opinion on the topic, backed up with facts, and then get back to me.



Ahh yes, and if anything, Doofus has shown an open mind and wisdom..

The question is who is creating a myth. Nobody ever said capitalism created the great depression. I have argued that men who espoused the philosophy of Free Market or Laissez-Faire Capitalism created the great depression.

It was not capitalism but Andrew Mellon (Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury) who defended the Federal Advisory Council's conclusion that "the present situation (November 1930) will best be served if the natural flow of credit is unhampered by open market operations." (In Milton Friedman's words, they did not throw money from a helicopter.).

It was Mellon who followed that with "People will work harder and live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted and enterprising people will pick up the wreck from less competent people." (Instead of throwing money from a helicoptor they maintained a tight money policy to "teach America a lesson".)

According to Jafo's Myth the New York Bankers and the Hoover Administration were the patsy's of a long dead Woodrow Wilson with socialists hidden in the wood work!!

No, in fact, you have blamed the Free market and Laissez-Faire policies themselves. Now you are trying to backtrack. You can't seem to come to grips with the fact that when Capitalism is meddled with, it becomes less effective. Before the Fed, the United States had enjoyed the greatest growth it ever had in its history. After the progressives brought in the Fed the progress had been stunted. The normal business cycle was not allowed to continue because of government (socialist) interference.

When the economy is left in the hands of individual, each attending to their own self interests, free to choose as they will, that is when society benefits the most. Not with this command from the top type structure you defend.

"The proud and unfeeling landlord views his extensive fields, and without a thought for the wants of his brethren, in imagination consumes himself the whole harvest ... [Yet] the capacity of his stomach bears no proportion to the immensity of his desires ... the rest he will be obliged to distribute among those, who prepare, in the nicest manner, that little which he himself makes use of, among those who fit up the palace in which this little is to be consumed, among those who provide and keep in order all the different baubles and trinkets which are employed in the economy of greatness; all of whom thus derive from his luxury and caprice, that share of the necessaries of life, which they would in vain have expected from his humanity or his justice...The rich...are led by an invisible hand to make nearly the same distribution of the necessaries of life, which would have been made, had the earth been divided into equal portions among all its inhabitants, and thus without intending it, without knowing it, advance the interest of the society..." - Adam Smith