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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:18 pm
  

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OK Boys and Girls,

Let's compare and contrast the two summary statements on the causes of the Great Depression:


Don't forget this statement:

heraclitis wrote:
Oh f'n hell, can anybody really be this f'n stupid

What are you trying to kill me

I was rollin on the floor laughing with tears in my eyes

I turned it on

I was like

He didn't say that

I turned it off

I turned it on and there it was

I am like "what an F'n idiot"

rollin on the floor laughin
tears on my cheeks
You are one funny f'er, no doubt about it

Stop it Stop it
You are killin' me
Nobody can be this F'n stupid


Wow, what a point you make?


Uh...he points out your mindless ramblings.


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In which to date he has provided ZERO evidence of other than his own statement backed up by no facts. I have shown fact after fact how it was the bungling of the Fed and the actual existence of the Fed that caused the great depression. I have even put forward Nobel prize winning analysis to back it up.

Which had the Fed not been there, their self interest would have led them to take action, but since the Fed was there to protect them, they felt no need, and in fact, the Fed created an incentive to not do anything to help the smaller banks.

So yeah, you decide.


Let's go back and listen to what Milton said, shall we?

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I don't think it is a secret that I question your view of reality!

So the Great Depression is the closest we got to Free Market Capitalism?


The Great Depression was a failure of government, not capitalism. I will turn to Friedman again to dispel your great depression myths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgyQsIGLt_w


He says Restriction of Money....Doesn't that mean they failed to throw buckets of money out of helicopters! I did not hear socialists were responsible once!

Oh Poo Bah, any comments?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:48 pm
  

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heraclitis wrote:
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In which to date he has provided ZERO evidence of other than his own statement backed up by no facts. I have shown fact after fact how it was the bungling of the Fed and the actual existence of the Fed that caused the great depression. I have even put forward Nobel prize winning analysis to back it up.

Which had the Fed not been there, their self interest would have led them to take action, but since the Fed was there to protect them, they felt no need, and in fact, the Fed created an incentive to not do anything to help the smaller banks.



So yeah, you decide.


Let's go back and listen to what Milton said, shall we?

Jafo wrote:
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I don't think it is a secret that I question your view of reality!

So the Great Depression is the closest we got to Free Market Capitalism?


The Great Depression was a failure of government, not capitalism. I will turn to Friedman again to dispel your great depression myths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgyQsIGLt_w


He says Restriction of Money....Doesn't that mean they failed to throw buckets of money out of helicopters! I did not hear socialists were responsible once!

Oh Poo Bah, any comments?


As I see it, Jafo believes he has "won" this debate with his arguments and his dismissal of other folks' input as "incorrect" or "non-factual." The major structural problem with this model lies in his self-appointment as the supreme judge, or "fact-checker" of what is to be accepted as evidence. It's like competing in a tennis tournament in which you are also the referee.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:01 pm
  

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heraclitis wrote:
I think it is pretty clear the Fed was created by Bankers with the help of Industrialists. No sense in going over it again. If you say JP Morgan and John D Rockefeller were socialists, who am I to argue!


Yeah, Woodrow Wilson, that crazy industrialist.. If you want to say he was a capitalist, who am I to argue?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:07 pm
  

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heraclitis wrote:
Hey Poo Bah, The Fed is the one that didn't act and they were run by bankers!


Hey shit head, who appoints members to the board of the Fed? Ahh, that would be the government wouldn't it? Who cares if they were bankers or bakers, they are running the institution as a command structure, not as free market capitalism where people are FREE TO CHOOSE.

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I am looking here at a Ron Paul hand out and what does it say

"The Fed is an unconstitutional and secretive system ...oh wait...the good bit...CONTROLLED BY BANKERS..."

That is right on this Ron Paul 2012 Restore America Now Brochure!


Hey, does it say it is controlled by CAPITALISTS? You know who runs the central bank of Cuba? A banker.. Would you call him a capitalist?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:08 pm
  

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Uh...he points out your mindless ramblings.


Uhh Doofus, nice fact check..


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:23 pm
  

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Jafo wrote:
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Hey Poo Bah, The Fed is the one that didn't act and they were run by bankers!


Hey shit head, who appoints members to the board of the Fed? Ahh, that would be the government wouldn't it? Who cares if they were bankers or bakers, they are running the institution as a command structure, not as free market capitalism where people are FREE TO CHOOSE.

heraclitis wrote:
I am looking here at a Ron Paul hand out and what does it say

"The Fed is an unconstitutional and secretive system ...oh wait...the good bit...CONTROLLED BY BANKERS..."

That is right on this Ron Paul 2012 Restore America Now Brochure!


Hey, does it say it is controlled by CAPITALISTS? You know who runs the central bank of Cuba? A banker.. Would you call him a capitalist?


We all know misdirection is your forte but it gets a little old after awhile. The bankers in charge at the time of the Great Depression are the very Bankers you said should have been allowed to make the corrections that would have made the great depression just a great recession. The heads of these banks wore the legacy of JP Morgan who designed the system because he was tired of paying for these corrections himself. They were administering a banking structure that could have dumped loads of money from a helicopter but chose not to do so out of greed. They wanted to drive unemployment up and "recalibrate" wages (drive them down) and they wanted to drive "inferior" banks out of the market. Your "facts" as you say (posting a you tube video of Milton Friedman without comment) pretty much corroborate.

Your more interested in blaming socialists and "creating an enemy" than you are in the truth of what happened!

Didn't the Nazi's do that sort of thing? Burning the Reichstag as an excuse to put communist is concentration camps!


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:33 pm
  

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He says Restriction of Money....Doesn't that mean they failed to throw buckets of money out of helicopters! I did not hear socialists were responsible once!

Oh Poo Bah, any comments?


Clearly Friedman viewed the fed as a command structure; part of a larger planned economy. He was opposed to such central planning, often seen in most SOCIALIST states:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_ec ... _socialism

Nice dance though..


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We all know misdirection is your forte but it gets a little old after awhile. The bankers in charge at the time of the Great Depression are the very Bankers you said should have been allowed to make the corrections that would have made the great depression just a great recession.


Talk about misdirection!!!!! You are claiming a socialist institution is capitalist. Holy shit you are dense. You can't be this fucking stupid. Using your logic, a business man who becomes a mobster, is still a capitalist business man.

You act like just because these people were guided by their own self interests, it makes their actions capitalistic. That is bullshit. Everyone in government, regardless of its type, acts in the same accordance - for themselves.

I mean for fucks sake, if JP Morgan was a porn star, your logic blames the depression on pornography!

Damn you are a stupid shit headed fuck..


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As I see it, Jafo believes he has "won" this debate with his arguments and his dismissal of other folks' input as "incorrect" or "non-factual." The major structural problem with this model lies in his self-appointment as the supreme judge, or "fact-checker" of what is to be accepted as evidence. It's like competing in a tennis tournament in which you are also the referee.


Well then Kevin, here you go, when you see a fact that is wrong, blow your whistle..


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Jafo wrote:
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We all know misdirection is your forte but it gets a little old after awhile. The bankers in charge at the time of the Great Depression are the very Bankers you said should have been allowed to make the corrections that would have made the great depression just a great recession.


Talk about misdirection!!!!! You are claiming a socialist institution is capitalist. Holy shit you are dense. You can't be this fucking stupid. Using your logic, a business man who becomes a mobster, is still a capitalist business man.

You act like just because these people were guided by their own self interests, it makes their actions capitalistic. That is bullshit. Everyone in government, regardless of its type, acts in the same accordance - for themselves.

I mean for fucks sake, if JP Morgan was a porn star, your logic blames the depression on pornography!

Damn you are a stupid shit headed fuck..


Like I said, Jafo is driven by ideological agenda!


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Like I said, Jafo is driven by ideological agenda!


Ummm ok then.. Ideological in a sense that I think people should be free to pursue their own self interests as opposed to being wards of the state, yes.


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Let me ''try'' and add things up I've heard the last few years. The Fed is the cause of much damage to our monetary system. There is no doubt it was started by capitalist. And have heard capitalism is a pyramid scheme. So the dirty fnnn hippies video is right when they say socialism is for the rich, and capitalism is for the people. No wonder life for most sucks.


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Tell me about Woodrow Wilson Leo..


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Like I said, Jafo is driven by ideological agenda!


Ummm ok then.. Ideological in a sense that I think people should be free to pursue their own self interests as opposed to being wards of the state, yes.


But Jafo offers no way out. At least I offer North Dakota's State Bank as a way for States to fund themselves, by investing taxes back into the State.


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