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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2001 1:10 pm
  

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The Art of Woodrow Wilson Guthrie (1912-1967)
by Katherine Anne Porter
http://lettersfromthedustbowl.com/Page455.html

"East Texas Red"
http://lettersfromthedustbowl.com/Page452.html


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2001 12:09 am
  

Excerpt from the essay by Porter:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
...Mr. Guthrie, one of the most gifted lyricists since Robert Burns (with whom he corresponded).
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REALLY??? Image What medium did they use, do you suppose?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2001 12:37 am
  

oh, fuck!! i'm gonna die laughing!!!

i'm not sure what,,but something is wrong here..some sort of misunderstanding i suppose?

good to see ya, sweet bel of the north.

i'm gonna bust a gut!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2001 3:50 am
  

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bel:

Excerpt from the essay by Porter:
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...Mr. Guthrie, one of the most gifted lyricists since Robert Burns (with whom he corresponded).
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REALLY??? Image What medium did they use, do you suppose?
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Hey, I agree it does sound weird but that line is actually phrased correctly.
Katherine said (with whom he corresponded).
Had she phrased it (with whom he corresponded with), that'd been a whole different bucket of pickles. What Katherine meant is the similarity, Woody comparing his talents to the likeness of that of the gifted poet/lyricist.

These are excerpts taken from the book, Woody Guthrie: A Life, by Joe Klein ...
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*He had been compared in recent weeks to Sean O'Casey, Robert Burns, and Walt Whitman, among others, and called a "national possession" like Yosemite.*
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*In the free verse that he continued to churn out even while banging away at Study Butte, he compared himself-favorably-to his literary heroes Walt Whitman,
Carl Sandburg, Robert Burns, and Pushkin, among others.*
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This concludes our lesson for today.
Now Todd, I don't want any negative feedback from you or you'll be lookin' at
2 hours of detention! Now, in the famous words of David Lee Roth in
Hot For Teacher ................ <FONT size="4">class dismissed !</FONT s>
Hi Bel !

On a scale of 1-10, how bad do ya'll hate me now ?
Please, DON'T answer that!

<center><FONT COLOR="#000080">--- Edited 1 times, lastly by Levi on Apr 28, 2001 ---</FONT></center>


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2001 10:53 am
  

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Levi:

Now Todd, I don't want any negative feedback from you or you'll be lookin' at
2 hours of detention!

On a scale of 1-10, how bad do ya'll hate me now ?
DON'T answer that !!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sure wouldn't hate ya for that....

the whole thing sounded like snl's church lady skit to me.

makes me think of when someone posted that woody guthrie would never write songs about
VD.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2001 12:49 pm
  

I really try not to agree with Levi, but:

cor·re·spond (kôr-spnd, kr-)
v. intr. cor·re·spond·ed, cor·re·spond·ing, cor·re·sponds.

1)To be in agreement, harmony, or conformity.
2)To be similar or equivalent in character, quantity, origin, structure, or function: English navel corresponds to Greek omphalos. See Synonyms at agree.
3)To communicate by letter, usually over a period of time.

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[French correspondre, from Medieval Latin correspondre: Latin com-, com- + respondre, to respond; see respond.]

"With whom he is often compared" seems a heck of a lot clearer, tho. And, if she had said, "With whom he corresponded with," we get into some serious grammar issues, since only midwesterners (and more specifically, Chicagoans) are allowed to end sentences and phrases with prepositions.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2001 3:05 pm
  

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Welcome back Bel! Woody G is great! Image


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2001 8:49 pm
  

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Starchild suggested:
"With whom he is often compared" seems a heck of a lot clearer, tho.
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Thank you. My point exactly. I was using Socratic irony, not questioning the point Porter was making (actually I agree with her comparison) but she phrased it poorly, didn't she?

irony n.
Note: definition edited for length
1.a humourous or subtly sarcastic method wherein the intended meanings are the direct opposite of their usual sense

2. the contrast between what a character thinks and what an audience or reader knows the truth to be

3. a combination of circumstances or a result that is the opposite of what is expected or appropriate

4. a cool detached attitude that recognizes incongruities and complexities

5. the feigning of ignorance in argument: often Socratic irony

I also stooped to the ignoble 'pun' on the word 'medium', to my deep and abiding shame. Image

So much for using subtlety and gentle humour. I guess I should have just baldly stated that Ms Porter either needed to proofread and revise much more carefully, or at the very least, find an editor who was on the ball. Good writers usually aim for clarity and avoid ambiguity, at least in non-fiction genres. Well, Todd is the exception in this as in most things!

I'll remember this should I be tempted from lurkdom again. Thanks for the lesson anyway, Levi and Star.

Love ya, Todd.

The Teach, who is on sabbatical from Night School until September


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2001 1:07 pm
  

Hey Boss...

When you're right, You're Right! -jreed


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:26 am
  

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I could be wrong, but I don't think this was a published essay. Ms. Porter included it in a letter of correspondence with a friend.
http://www.lettersfromthedustbowl.com/Page450.html

Since when did blunderers become such perfectionists in grammar and the like. What a hoot! Personally speaking, I like what she had to say especially since she actually had something interesting to say.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:47 am
  

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by janet:

Since when did blunderers become such perfectionists in grammar and the like. What a hoot! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Image I'd ask, "Are you new here?" But I know you aren't, Janet - because I've enjoyed reading your posts for a long time! Maybe my question should be... "Do they keep you chained to this thread?" Some of the biggest Blunder fights that I remember have been about words, whether about word choice or the location where they were used. They get instigated by... well, that's not important, 'cuz I imagine that the grammar discussion ended with the last lecture. Image


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:12 am
  

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Nope! Not new here.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2001 12:39 pm
  

when did janet move into personal stuff???

i mean, i mean,,if it wasn't for janet,,i wouldn't know squat!!

and he's become a damn good friend!

i'm gonna go correspond with an un-named historical figure of great prominence!!!

i got my tissues.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2001 12:50 pm
  

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right


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2001 12:57 pm
  

thanks! keep em coming,,,Please!?


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