I would like to see the topic of current affairs left open to discussion and so I am starting this topic...
I read things or hear things that just make me wonder, what the hell? So I post here, not to change anyone's mind, nor to preach any cause, only to vent.
I think others feel the same way, so I will reopen the topic regarding America's War or Terrorist.

Now that I have started the topic, I do have a quwstion,
Why wasn't the Taliban allowed to try Osamma Bin Ladin for the crimes we have said he commited?

Why have there been no Grand Jury hearing to bring an indictment of murder?

What happens to those 600 people arrested now that the FBI has been withdrawn from the WTC case?

just wondering

AOL News item:Bush praised NATO for helping patrol American skies using sophisticated early-warning surveillance planes starting Friday. ``This has never happened before - that NATO has come to help defend our country - but it happened in this time of need and for that we're grateful,'' Bush said in the Rose Garden, standing next to Lord Robertson, the NATO secretary general.

Is this weird or what?

Are we saying we can not protect our own country anymore?

Who contols these friendly warplanes anyway?

i can't answer all your questions, nathen but i have a couple of answers for you. asking the taliban to try osama would be a bit like asking a wolf to guard the hen house. the taliban and osama are pretty much in each other's back pocket. it's hard to say just which one of them actually controls things in afghanistan. in regards to the NATO planes.. they're helping out because our planes are being used elsewhere. it's really as simple as that.

as deb said, Nathen..also we didn't "arrest & try" Hitler or Japanese pilots who bombed Pearl Harboor, those were acts of war, not criminal acts
also, the Taliban has a "differebt interpretation"
of justice..if a woman's veil slips, she's beaten, in public. If she commits adultery, she's excecuted.
Also, Bin Laden bankrolls the Taliban, hence, a "conflict of interest" exists
Our AWACs are busy, right now. I understand German AWACs will patrol the east coast, That's fine, with me...
I have other "questions" though..
Will we move to eradicate terrorist training & hosting, in Cuba?, for South Americans?
Or, is that not politically expedient, given Jeb's run for re=election, in FLA?
Will we pressure Saudi Arabia, to extradite terrorists held there, for bombing US residential barracks, during the Gulf War?
or, will the "oil connections" prevail, there?

i haven't heard anything about cuba, bumper...but there are 4 people listed on the new fbi most wanted list in regards to the khobar tower bombings. apparently...and i didn't catch the whole news segment tonight, so don't take this as gospel...but i think they updated the list to include around 20-25 people on the list. offering big rewards in the hopes that someone will turn them in.

4 of the guys on the list are in Saudi Jails now, Deb, for Khobar bombing
I was just "what iffing" re Cuba, Deb> I'm sure Cuban exiles, in Dade county, wouldnt mind what "W" might do in Cuba

p.s. thanks for opening this thread, Nathen..

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my pleasure Bumper, I really need somewhere to post the things that make me wonder or piss me off and this seems like as good a place as any.

ah...well, i didn't hear them say they were already in jail. as i said, i didn't hear the whole thing...of course, they may not have said...or they might be different guys. i don't know, obviously.. i knew what you meant about cuba..

zowie posts;

.also we didn't "arrest & try" Hitler or Japanese pilots who bombed
Pearl Harboor, those were acts of war, not criminal acts


wrong...crimes against humanity made the gallows sway.

Questions about how far we're going to go in pursuit of any and all terrorism are good ones. I think it'll be a while before they're answered because we're kind of busy with this situation, but taking real terrorism more seriously is a good thing, I think. I've never been able to work up any sympathy for its use, even if I'm in sympathy with the cause. Its definition is important, though. I don't think that cyber hacking - even serious criminal instances of it - qualify as terrorism. Neither, in my mind, anyway, do acts of civil disobedience, even if they result in property damage - again, that's criminal, but I don't believe it should fall under the definition of terrorism.
Still, if you want to mull...just psychologically, is it too short a jump from blowing up an empty building to blowing up an inhabited one?

Yeah N8, what Deb said. Even here in the states, if you fuck up too bad. They don't need a warrant. The only formal indictment on him, was written in magic marker on those bombs.

*I remember a History teacher in the 8th grade. He went into a detailed discription, of the radical differance on thier value of life...Us as a people, highly value life. (for the most part). They however, don't care, because they are 'going to Ali'.

**CHA RIGHT......

good thread Nathen!

One reason that I asked the question regarding the Taliban and their trying Osamma Bin Ladin, is this.

A young man committed murder here in the USA, he was from the USA and so was his victim, but he was Jewish and his daddy sent him to Isreal before he could be arrested, so any way, the young man told the officals over there that he wanted to become a citizen, and so he became one.

Now the USA, wanted the young man back, Isreal refused to release one of it's citizens and said "we will have our own trail here" and that my friends is what happened.

So in the interest of fairness, was the Taliban request so far out of line?

please excuse my spelling, I am a product of the Americian educational system, no that's not true I just can't spell.

What was the outcome of that case, nathen? I really don't know..there might be all kinds of legalities or there might not. Murder is not usually a federal crime, for one thing. It's usually a state matter. That could have made it more difficult to get extradition. The crimes of September 11 were definitely an interstate/federal matter.

This, however is a really different matter and there never was a chance in hell that we were going to let the Taliban government try bin Laden. There is a material difference between a hostile government an ally. As far as indictments go, he'd already been indicted by the US government for capital crimes, so whether he was indicted for this one or not, he was still wanted in this country.

Nathen education doesn't always make the man. I've met plenty of educated fools in my life-time to know, believe me. You can learn more on the road, than out of most any text book. As I am sure you are quite aware of.

*I believe it's the gravity of the situation. Our allies are saying there's more than enough proof, and it seems to be good enough for them. It is twilight zone type stuff. The year 2001, and we got a Reward saying 'Dead or Alive'. Doesn't seem possible does it???