"Gaslight Rag" is Dave Van Ronk's.

Thanks for that info, Steve. (I'm not kidding, I've seen you post before, but it is just now that I realized that your name is Grandpa Steve. I'd look at it before & wonder, what the hell does Grand Past Eve mean?)

RE: Dylan's use of "my wife" rather than her name, allow me to take the floor & give ya'll something to consider. The wife referred to in Chapter 4 is his 2nd wife. The wife referred to elsewhere in the book is Sara. Dylan remarried in the mid-to-late-80's in secrecy; not even his best friends knew about it. I don't know whether they're still married or not, but this woman wanted her identity protected, didn't wanna be known as Mrs. Bob Dylan & suffer all the invasions of privacy that would go along with it. So Dylan may have figured he shouldn't identify her by name in the book & thus did the same with Sara. Anybody wanting to hear about Sara can listen to the song "Sara" on Desire or Live 1975.

As for the other stuff, I admit I didn't realize it or think about it much at the time. There's also times where he speaks of women with high regard for their talents (Carolyn Hester, Joan Baez) & there's times when he describes men by how they looked as well. Maybe I just have the male point of view, I dunno, you all could be right; I wouldn't say anybody's being overly sensitive by noticing this stuff.

BTW---I refer to my wife on line as "my wife" coz she doesn't like seeing her name on message boards, so I try to honor that, even tho' I have lapses now & then. We all gotta do what we gotta do.

She takes just like a woman, yes, she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes, she does
And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif" width=15 height=15>

wife #2 (as far as is known)
1986-1992
Carolyn (Carol) Dennis
one child - daughter 1986 (not a wallflower either)<img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif" width=15 height=15>

Bob Dylan a Book Critic Prize Finalist
January 22, 2005 9:16 PM EST
NEW YORK - Bob Dylan, the unofficial poet laureate of the rock 'n' roll generation, has now been officially placed alongside such literary greats as Philip Roth and Adrienne Rich, not to mention biographies of Shakespeare and Willem de Kooning. All were among nominees announced Saturday for the National Book Critics Circle prizes.


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wife #2 (as far as is known)
1986-1992
Carolyn (Carol) Dennis <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting info! She was a background singer on most of his albums from Street-Legal thru Down in the Groove.

Yes Joe and on some of the tours too - had solos - mid concerts as did some of the others too - he seemed to have had a great interest in more than one of the back-up singers from 1978 on - one of the singers said in a interview that Bob takes care of all of his kids - she indicated that there was a few more than the ones from the first marriage - and I have never read an interview with any of those women that did not speak well or highly of him or each other - thats enought on that subject tho -
The Long And Lonely Road
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Hey didn't mean to open a can of worms!
But just my opinion from the female point of view as comparing H'way and Dylan. Yea Shel I get called oversensitive about these things. But guys you'll never know what its like.
All through school I learned HISstory never HERstory except maybe Nightingale the NURSE (though she was actually a tough lady) or Joan of Arc, the MARTYR.
Try to imagine how you would have felt....for instance.. if Armstrong had been a woman and had said...."That's one small step for woman and one giant leap for womankind" I prefere humankind etc.
Or the other day when Dubya,during his speech,used "mankind", and even "In the minds of Men" (but you'd expect that from him and his writers, the dinasours)
How would you feel if Hils wins next time and in her speech she only uses "womenkind" and "In the minds of Women"?
Wouldn't you feel a little left out???
Try hearing it for the last 50 years!!!
I guess I'm more sensitive cos I was brought up in a family where we were treated equally no matter our gender, and told we could be anything we wanted,though we all knew it would be tougher going for the girls.(marriage was the last thing on my mind til I just happened to meet the love of my life at 18)(one of the top 5 husbands in the world)
I prefer to be treated as myself and believe a person should be seen as an inividual and not judged by gender,color, age etc. I rail against being placed in a box and expected to behave in a designated manner. And because I'm female that's the area in which I have most experience of being catoragized.
I still get looked on a rebellious and strange,in some circles, by not doing what is expected of me. E.G (one of many) Sometimes at work some of the females will decide to have a morning tea for some reason and of course it would be expected that I would bake something to contribute.(being female you automaticaly know how to bake) But of course none of the males are expected to. They just eat and leave.So I said I will not contribute until the males contribute something (that thay made, not their wife or mother) But they are use to me now and some of the women are even changing the way they think.Or you go somewhere for dinner or a Bar-B-Que , where you don't know the people that well and are expected to help the little lady of the house clean up while the men retire to the den......and if you don't, and join the men, the little lady and the other women look daggers at YOU, not the husband or other men, for not helping. Now that is only a small and Petty example really.
But guys, think of all those little things that you are just EXPECTED to do cos your male. Doesn't it drive you BONKERS some times????????????????

Also Sars Lowndes is so well known as one of Bob's wives that I don't think she would have minded him calling her by her name.
Joan B even mentions in her book "And a Voice to With" ,page 109,how when she first got tangled up with Dylan she was ignorant that there even was a Sara. "Twelve years later, when I finally met and became friends with Sara, we talked for hours about those days when the Original Vagabond was two-timing us". I've got lots of books about Dylan, and Sara is mentioned and there are photos of her.

Carolyn backed lots of other people like Spingsteen,Chapman even Donna Summers and others.
Well thats Louise' soapbox sermon for today.....over to you

No can of worms was opened, just saying that Bob's 2nd wife valued her privacy.

I've heard that before about learning history vs. herstory. Kinda like in church, where he sing hymns instead of hers.

<img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/laugh.gif" width=15 height=15> At least I know that you know what it's like to have to get those sermons out Joe..... even when I know I'm talking mostly to the converted!!!! That's why I like group W, being able to vent amongst friends.
I'd been stewing about W. so it made me feel better. (I know I should'nt let him get to me but it's hard sometimes isn't it?)

Got some bargins on the table at the record store today Dylan&The Dead (together)$8. Bonnie Raitt (collection)$10.Tim Buckly (T.B. and Goodbye and Hello on 1 C.D.)$10. and Arlo of course!(The Best of.. the one with Alice's, City of N.O., Last Train etc. His was the most expensive, $15, new C.D.'s are $30 here (OZ dollers that is)

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I'd been stewing about W. so it made me feel better. (I know I should'nt let him get to me but it's hard sometimes isn't it?)

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Holy Batman - YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's a coincidence. I've listened to the aforementioned Ramblin' Jack CDs twice now. They contain 2 concerts that took place in 1 day (with no duplicate songs) in 1957, when Jack toured the UK with his wife, June. She is on stage with him for a couple of songs, singing background. Altho' he reminds the audience several times that they're listening to Jack Elliott, whenever he introduces June, he always introduces her, not by name, but as "my wife."

Here's another coincidence. The day I got the C.D.'s I was in the book store and saw a book for men about learning how to be a Domestic God. Like those books back last century, for women, about how to be a good little house keeper. On the back it said .......one small step for men..one giant leap for womankind.!!! Can you believe it Joe?????? a Blunermoment!

A while back I was reading an interview with Merle Haggard - in it he said he would really like to work or record something with Bob Dylan and he thought it might just happen - today on Bob Dates - March & April are listed as "Tour with Merle Haggard
Tentative
Dates to be announced"

Could really be some Love & Theft in those Shows!
Ok - back to the books!

"EVERYBODY should have a wife somewhere in the world" Bob D.
See left out again..........but I guess every women wishes she had a wife sometimes!
:WINK: NOW DON'T GET YOUR KNICKERS IN A KNOT GUYS, I'M JUST KIDDING AROUND!