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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:47 am
  

Hey, Group W folks

A feller called Jay posted this on
http://willienelsonpri.com/

That's the Willie Nelson Peace Research Institute.
This post is the best and most concise description
of the limits of capitalism (which have now been reached)
I have ever encountered.

For those interested, I am copying it here.
I think it's just excellent.
Don't be put off by the first couple of sentences;
once the context is defined it flows easily enough.
Herewith:

World Peace Becomes Possible

September 18th, 2008 Jay Posted in Animal Rights, Appropriate Technology, Environment, Peace

You can find numerous pundits explaining the inevitability of disaster and the impending collapse due to the loss of national financial sovereignty to transnational banking cartels. Similar lines of thought follow through on global energy issues.

These issues can only be complicated by Global Warming which will affect every life on the planet regardless if the cause proves to be people or not.

A world at peace would have preempted these problems or be actively working on solving them. Today a world at war only pushes these problems toward greater complications, unnecessary suffering and death.

With the occurrence of any unexpected problems, such as hurricanes, tornadoes and severe storms, resources turned towards war are not available for aid. We have given up our reserves to invest more deeply in misery.

Now is the time to embrace world peace.

Peace may have seemed like an idealistic option once upon a time. Peace has emerged as the only viable solution for a sane and sustainable world.

Wasteful and abusive attitudes towards the environment and both wild and domesticated animals could be ignored in the past. Now abuse and other forms of waste can no longer be afforded much less hidden from the view of thoughtful creative people.

The world has forever been changed.

The basic conditions of current economics, commonly referred to as capitalism, can no longer function the same as it has for hundreds of years. The conditions that supported capitalism no longer exist.

Capitalism is based upon employees producing more value than they are paid. This basic relationship has always been a cornerstone of capitalistic economics.

Since those who work cannot afford everything they produce, capitalistic businesses must find markets outside of the capitalistic work force. Without these outside areas to sell the surplus value produced by employees capitalism would not be able to realize a profit.

Secondly, once a profit is realized by selling to outside markets then those profits must at least in part be used to expand the scope of capitalistic production. These requirements of capitalism to find new markets and to convert new lands to capitalistic production have always been part of capitalism.

These capitalistic requirements have led to a continuous string of wars for resources and military intervention in other people’s governments.
These capitalistic requirements have rewarded violent and destructive exploitation of natural resources and all life forms.

People who resisted the ruthless exploitation of their lands have been eradicated or are now facing genocide. Calls to end these wars of conquest and resource extraction have been shouted down by capitalists claiming their necessity.

Now there are no more external markets to buy capitalistic production.

Now there are no more foreign lands to convert to the capitalistic system.


Capitalism has reached the physical limits of its growth and is now experiencing a crisis not brought on by external resistance but by the internal contradictions of capitalism itself.

Global banking interests and global transnational energy cartels have restructured money and oil independent of any national interests. We are living through a total restructuring of world power.

Perhaps because the United States of America had so long enjoyed a privileged position We The People have allowed our state sponsored terrorism to continue unopposed.

The privileged position of the United States of America now only appears to continue as economic inertia attempts to smooth the transition to the global control of the New World Order. That inertia is running down.

For most of us the transition will not be smooth.

As we witness the eclipse of nations, an idea that has only been around for a couple of hundred years, and the open emergence of global government we will never have a better chance to implement a peaceful resolution.

The power represented by the Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, just to mention a few of the better known, are eclipsing the power represented by individual nations.

International NGOs (Non-governmental organizations) now commonly operate across national borders and obey the dictates of no single nation. People are now reorganizing on a global basis and peace can be a part of that.

Peace will be a part of global reorganization only if enough people demand it.

Global peace or global work camps, the future is being built now.


If Jay's reasoning is in error I've missed that.
I find this post to be both alarming and hopeful.

What do all y'all think of his analysis?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:45 am
  

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it is certainly quite an astounding bit of propaganda!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:08 pm
  

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We, the people of planet Earth, are addicted to war, no less than an alcoholic his drink or an addict his drugs. When the going gets rough, we run to war because we cannot conceive of another, more healthy alternative. We've been living in this mindset for all of recorded history. War has always been taught to us, by us. No one teaches peace. Just like an addict or alcoholic in recovery, we must rewire our brains to think in terms of peace, and use it as a healthy alternative to run to when the going gets rough. Peace.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:55 am
  

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Shas, that is right along the lines of emails to Family and talks in Clubs with those on both sides, right and left. Many People defend Capitalism like it has something to do with the Flag. Those will also knock any form of Socialism as un-constitutional. Yet no Nation has yet try to put to work what Marx wrote about. Its a combination of the good from both, which we need. Modragon of the Basque is worker ownership which puts capital at the service of labor, not the other way around as we have now.
We can switch at least 50% of our guns and bombs budget over to green stuff, not our trash/cash.

I was hoping for a good place to post this OEN Article by a Man called Mark Overt Sklibred. (This seems like that spot.) This one is about how to practice real diplomacy to others in the North and South Americas.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/THE-AM ... 1-823.html


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:51 pm
  

Emails to family?
Is that the ArloNet family?
I signed up for emails when I joined
but I haven't received one yet...


Thanks, Leoburg.
That's a good article.
While I was there I saw this warning
that many, many votes are being nullified
by devious changes in the law:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Votes- ... 3-511.html


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:59 pm
  

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No that was the other 9 from my Parents Family. I was #9 and figured I was 11 too before 9-11-01.

I get emails from when something is posted here. Just look at the comment section before you click submit.

This Mark Overt Skilbred has 4 out of this world Articles in the last week.
Sign up for his rss feed as I also did to Willie Nelson's Peace Site.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:07 am
  

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Hey blundernuts.

This page of mine just jumped into my sights. I guess anyone could make their own site from here. That is a real good thing.

Restore the Republic has the same sort of link along with the General Strike, some outsider Prez. People too.

So I have launched my own right now.

http://revolution-nine.ning.com/

The anti-revolution 9 site.


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