The irony of ironies! The group w bench NEEDS a group w bench!!! <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/eek.gif" width=15 height=15>

Hey Bumper, sometimes when I'm not being selectively oblivious, I find myself being selectively observant. I AM trying to cut down though........ <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/confused.gif" width=15 height=22> <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/looney.gif" width=15 height=15>

gotcha, Larry, me too! in fact I was hoping for a response, from Sherry, instead, Dave muses about making a deposit, & deb & kim mix animals and veggies.....
I think you are right, Larry, a "Group x" bench, maybe...?

Ceashel, Larry, when this stuff starts, I like to digitally "discorporate" and observe the posting dynamics, here, it is interesting, & often, predictable...., looks like it's my turn, to be the "lightening rod" that's ok, i don't mind.....i do try to describe behaviors that I don't agree with, rather than throwing around labels, but, that's my choice

Time out with this stuff, right...?
Has anyone heard from Todd, directly? how is he, now?

I don't have an agenda. I just felt the need to defend myself after being rather tensely flamed by certain individuals. I'm sorry if I have an "attitude" i'm not trying to be bitchy. I just feel it's neccesary to defend myself fiercely when attacked, verbally or otherwise.

Yes I'm a newbie, yes sometimes I bite off more then I can chew. This is one of those times when it happened. I wasn't aware that Kim is Dave's wife. All I knew was taht I was being told (regardless of the fact no name was mentioned; it was clearly directed at me)to "go be a Saint somewhere else" and to stop lambasting other people for telling me what to do. One of those people mentioned was Dave.
I never ever ONCE said ANYTHING about Dave. Nor would I. Dave had nothing to do with my complaint. My complaint was that i felt no one (other then maybe the Wiz) should be nagging me about where to post poetry, when I felt it was acceptable to post it where I had. That's it. That was my complaint.
And I was not trying to be any kind of Saint. I was just defending myself. Thats' it. That's all I was trying to do. And I don't think I have friends here willing to bail me out. Never count on anyone but yourself to bail you out of anything, this is my philosophy in life. And I'm not an idiot or a fool, as others have pointed out.
Yes I went after Goliath and probably lost. And I apologize to anyone who thinks I was deliberately trying to stir up trouble, or trying to start an agenda. That wasn't at all what I was trying to do. Not even remotely.
I don't apologize for defending myself. I was verbally attacked, and I see nothing wrong in fighting back. And I never once tried to use Arlo's name to get any agenda across, I resent that accusation, and don't accept it.
Just because I'm young an occasionally foolish, doesn't mean i don't know what I'm doing, or that I don't take things seriously. I do, and I'm proud of that. I'm sorry if some people can't understand it, or misunderstand it's purpose, or just plain hate my guts. That's fine. It's a free country. But If someone verbally attacks me, i'm gonna fight back.
And yes, I did want this to be a poetry forum.

Alright, I'm done. Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Blunder on! <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif" width=15 height=15>

Cool, Shannon! funny, I thought I was accused of being a Saint!, which is pretty funny...to my knowledge, only St Patrick made it from Leprechan, to saint & I think he was an honorary leprechan, anyway
Todd's yakkin, on another thread, so I assume he's hangin in there....right Todd?

So back to the poetry
Good, bad, or indifferent
Rhyme it or not
That part’s insignificant

Tomorrow’s Thanksgiving
With all it implies
Good friends and family
Turkey and pies

Cooking in the morning
My day is all planned
I love eating turkey—
Because of l-tryptophan!

(I'm just going to lay down now on the Group W bench. Please wake me up in an hour.)<img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/zzz.gif" width=20 height=24>

Happy Thanksgiving to you all!

hanging in there, saint bump.

first, let me say how truly sorry i am to have disappointed you bumper. i do not sit at my computer 24/7 and today was a travel day. had i realized you were sitting around waiting for a reply from me, i would have seen what i could about accomodating you.

that being said the answer to your queries is an emphatic YES!

as for you shannon....i am not sure where to begin..so i'll just say a few things that came to mind while reading your 'why i did what i did' post.

first of all..it shouldnt have mattered WHO kim was....what you said was rude and inappropriate.

second...you say that your "...complaint was that i felt no one (other then maybe the Wiz) should be nagging me about where to post poetry, when I felt it was acceptable to post it where I had."

once again let me point out that the wizard is THE WIZARD. he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. and he actually doesnt even need a reason...though usually he has one (usually more). also...if other folks who are regulars here suggest that your post belongs elsewhere...they are probably right. just because YOU think something is correct, does not make it so. just because you think something belongs somewhere doesnt mean it belongs there.

i dont see where you were 'bitchy' as you put it. i see where you were rude and condescending and that just isnt a great attitude to take when first meeting people. it has taken me years to become the ultimate bitch that i am. and i dont bring out the 'attitude' until there is a good reason. (most of the time). i'm sure there are others who would argue that...and honestly, i dont care.

i dont like seeing my friends upset by posts and do know the powers of the wiz. that is pretty much all there is to say.

Sherry's here??? I gotta leave now. NEVERMIND anything I said. Sorry Mistress Sherry. I'll go back in the basement now. I'm going to the dump tomorrow anyone want to come???

i wish...you taking potzac with ya?

any manta ray hallucinations on potzac??

Todd, all I want is the prozac and Viagra concessions at all the Arlo concerts and I'd be rich. Actually listening to these replies maybe I need the estogren concession too..lol

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sherry:


first of all..it shouldnt have mattered WHO kim was....what you said was rude and inappropriate.

second...you say that your "...complaint was that i felt no one (other then maybe the Wiz) should be nagging me about where to post poetry, when I felt it was acceptable to post it where I had."

once again let me point out that the wizard is THE WIZARD. he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. and he actually doesnt even need a reason...though usually he has one (usually more).

you were rude and condescending and that just isnt a great attitude to take when first meeting people.
QUOTE]

First off, what Kim said was pretty rude too. And I have no idea how I was being condescending, it certainly wasn't on purpose if I was. I never said anything bad about Dave Downin, i have no idea where this idea is coming from. You even quote me as saying I don't think anyone (except maybe the Wiz) should tell me...blah blah blah. I said EXCEPT THE WIZ!!! EXCEPT!!! There was no bad blood or ill will towards Dave. Why do people think this?? I have no idea...
I don't think a rude and condscending attidtude is great when trying to point things out to newbies. Kim was not kind in her words towards me, and this is long before I said anything that got me into serious trouble (note I said serious, not just trouble).
I apologized for giving an attitude, however, I defend my right to defend myself. If a regular said these things, I'm sure it would be perfectly acceptable, but because I spoke up for myself, and I'm new, it seems it's more acceptable to criticize me. Yes I was rude, and I'm sorry I was rude, but so was Kim, and as you said, it shouldn't matter who it is, right? Well Kim started this verbal battle, and just because I'm new, doesn't mean I should just have to sit back and take this. And I'm not the only one who protested the nagging of people telling me I shouldn't post poetry in Arlo's Restaurant.
Now I'm tired of having to battle people out, I don't want to fight with anyone, honestly, I really truly don't. For the last time, For pete's sake: I have no hidden "agenda", i was not intentionally trying to stir up trouble, I was not deliberately fighting with the Wizard's wife, I was defending what rude and not nice things were spoken towards me, I really did start with just good intentions:honest to goodness it's true! I have nothing against Dave no complaints, no grievances, nor have I made any in any posts AT ALL. I was rude, I admit that, but so was the person who spoke against me. I'm sorry if I caused a lot of ire, but this is what happens when fights are picked. This is what happens when I feel I'm forced to defend myself. And anybody else who's had to defend themselves might often feel the same way. They're just smarter then me, and tend to keep their mouths shut.
There. Done. I'm not arguing with anyone anymore. I'm sorry if you think I was rude, I'm sorry if you disagree with me and pick apart every thing in this post that has been said. But it's all spilt milk. I'm not crying over it.
I still wish everyone, The Guthries, Dave AND Kim, and all my fellow Blunderites a very Happy Thanksgiving. May it be peaceful, and full of love, and without arguments like this one. <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif" width=15 height=15>

Thanks for your concern, Sherry, I don't "sit around & wait" for much of anything. I'm off to Eureka, visiting hedgie & cirrus
Happy Thanksgiving to all!!
Shannon, u b u & you'll be fine!!
and, for Todd, a great obscure Reggae ditty...
"I & I shall not be moved, oh no.... so don't you try to put I down....there's so much in life if yu willin to earn it, I give you some a mine, just don't you burn it. i wake up each an every day wid my full bright smile, my smile...
...try if you want, cyan't stop I,
lie if you want, still won't move I,
I & I not rich, but I sure got style, got style,,,"

Beres Hammond, Heartbeat Reggae, 2000, Heartbeat label