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 Post subject: Torture vs. Abuse
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2004 8:48 pm
  

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Our illustrious Secretary of Defense has clarified recently released photographs showing our handling of Iraqi citizen-prisoners by defining the actions depicted
in them as "abuse", not "torture". By that definition, I guess the extermination of millions of undesirables by Herr Hitler was not "genocide" but "euthanasia".

Rumsfeld's just got to go, and soon. You know the only reason Bush is not firing him is because he (Bush) never makes mistakes. I wish I could be a fly on the wall in that chamber tomorrow, because the congressmen are gonna be reaming old Rummy out a new asshole with their questions.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:00 pm
  

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I heard on my local Public Radio station that Rumsfeld is giving the commencement address at West Point on May 29. The commencement is open to the public. That's only about a two-hour drive from where I live.

I am considering the possibility of attending that event.... maybe with a sign saying Rumsfeld Must Go! (Don't know if I have the guts to actually do this... I'm looking at possibilities.)


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:28 pm
  

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Maybe while Rummy is at the Point he can join in the fun of hazing a few plebes.

Notice that the administration carefully picks his spots for appearances; West Point, you say, why not the commencement address at the New School in downtown NYC?


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:34 pm
  

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Yah, Mikey, you're right about that...

I've put out a few feelers with the local Justice and Peace group... see if there is interest in mounting a protest... I don't think I could handle doing this alone, but I'd definitely be there with a group, if it can be coordinated. (Unfortunately, I'm not an organizer... I'm a noise maker... but I've put a bug in the ear of some organizers...)


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 5:43 pm
  

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..well, mikey, as you probably know by now being a fly on the wall wasn't necessary (though probably more fun) as the hearing was broadcast on tv...

...can't really say much....it's gut-wrenching and unimaginable.....maybe i'm just flashing to the ol' days...but it's starting to feel alot
like Watergate.....


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:19 pm
  

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"Let me be clear; I failed to recognize how important it was to elevate a matter of such gravity to the highest levels, including the president and the members of Congress."
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"Needless to say, if I felt I could not be effective, I'd resign in a minute."
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When asked about the prison abuse ordeal, Rumsfeld responds:

"These events occurred on my watch as Secretary of Defense. I am accountable for them. I take full responsibility."
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Yet when was asked about assuming any responsiblity for the the steady stream of body bags returning from Iraq, Rumsfeld responds:

"Every person who is killed or wounded is a heartbreak, certainly for me and for their families and for their loved ones. In this conflict every single person is a volunteer... Every person there put up there hand and said, 'Send me, I want to participate in the defense of our country."
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<FONT size="1">(not surprising how the pompous Rumsfeld washes his hands clean on the matter)</FONT s>

Sleep well, Mr. Rumsfeld.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:34 pm
  

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After much thought, and a bit of discussion with a friend, I've decided not to pursue the possibility of protesting at the West Point graduation on May 29. I have a great deal of respect for those who choose the military life. Many of these people do so for the best of reasons - they feel called to serve our country. I would be remiss if I were to cast a shadow upon a day of great importance to those new Army officers (though I still feel just as strongly that Rummy has to go). I will, instead, take my complaint to Washington on June 5, and participate in the anti-war rally being sponsored by International ANSWER.


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