Mrs. G. has lots of Ron Paul videos for those so inclined.

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LEGALIZE FREEDOM

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

Hi all I’ve enjoyed this post from the start and just want to add my two cents or maybe three. We spend so much time judging people and putting them into categories by color, religion, politics…it’s crazy. We were on to something so many years ago but it got lost. Unless you’re Native American – you’re an immigrant – that simple. The Church asks are you religious or spiritual? And the difference would be what??? Polls ask are you democrat or republican – I just want to vote for someone sane!!!! And maybe they might even be the real president this time.
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The next member of the Bush cabinet????

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20748269/?gt1=10357

The link didn't work for me... try http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20748269

... only in Freakin' Colarada!

I fixed it, I made a typo.

Maybe feeding the birds should have been planned out a bit better.

Despite Dave's story at the beginning of the thread the budget for those types of government entitlements is puny compared to defense spending and pork. Someone said "the measure of a societies integrity is how it cares for it's least well off ". We can have a Hoover or we can have a Roosevelt. I think "W" is J. Edgar and Herbert Hoover mixed together. The idiot was on the tube tonight, I couldn't be bothered. I don't believe a single word he says. I wonder what the rest of the world really thinks of us, electing the guy twice, they must think we are really nuts.

Right on mister Musicrx,
Tom Paine said something like this, "When the poor are happy, the elderly have no want, it streets are free of beggars, and it jails empty, than can a land brag of its constitution and government." And Paine, who had no more than 6 People at his furneral wanted all nations to cut its military by 90% to ensure world peace.
I wish I could upload the picture of Paine the Feds made in a cartoon. It was Piane with a rope up pto to the FEDS, witht the devil behind Tom saying, "Pull harder Tom. I am right behind you.
That is what this Land made of one of the People who started that last revolution. We need more than 50 tea Partys today. Though finding out what to throw in the harbor first is a tough call.

Seen on a bumper sticker:

I NEVER THOUGHT I'D SAY 'I MISS NIXON'

Yeah, compared to the asshole we have now, Nixon was only a hemorrhoid............

Leo,

Wasn't Tom Paine's publication called "Common Sense" ? If so how ironic.

We could start by throwing "w" in the harbor, but if he dies then Cheney ?

If all the blunderites emailed a chorus of Alice's restaurant to the white house simutaneously....perhaps.

Here's a weird tangent. I'm on this site www.rukind.com, printing Grateful Dead lead sheets. I go to the "kewl links" section and click on the "HippyLand" site...where do I go...the CIA homepage. (ture story).

Perhaps if we torture the politicians by making them listen to Harry Truman by Chicago until their conscience awakes ? "Harry is there something we could do to save the land we love"

I got this in an e-mail & thought it was interesting. The Cheryl listed here is not me but someone else who I guess got it in an e-mail:

[I hear a lot about USA getting a health-care plan like Canada's, but this should help understand how it works. ]

This came from my pastor's relatives who live in Canada so it's not
contrived massly circulated email as far as I know. Interesting! I should send it to Michael Moore. Cheryl

Beware of unintended consequences on health care.

Subject: Canada's Health care system from a Canadians point of view.

Hey Guys; I seen on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton
introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in
Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the health care
up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives
with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts
about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.

First of all:

1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month
of $96. for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they
don't tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system
afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go
to
taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes
directly to health care our #1 expense.

2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it is more like
a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so
he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now
the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting
lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.

3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is
to prescribe drugs. Have a pain here is a drug to take- not what is causing
the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more
important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for
Government
re-imbursement

4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the
emergency room waiting for treatment.

6) Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it
required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay
$125. for a splint because it is not covered under health care plus we <
BR>> have
to pay $60. for each visit for him to check it out each week.

7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting
list . Died before he could get treatment.

Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no
more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case
and
embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

9)The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are
increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get
shorter. Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never
goes
away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call
it a
tax anymore it is now a user fee.

10) My mother needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she
is a smoker they will not do it. Despite her and my father paying into
the health care system all these years. My Mom is 80 years of age. Now
there
is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because
they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want
in Canada is a health care system for healthy people only. That should
reduce our health care costs.

11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes,
junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law
to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be
jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or
athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in
the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend
money
to get healthy.

13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax
payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no
premiums.

14) Oh yean we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them
healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and
stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health
care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered but the
health care system.

I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the
states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down
there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just want to make
sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food
for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.

Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.

Dean

now instead of posting something you receive third hand, with clearly contrived and biased bits of unsupported information, why don't you spend the time you have on the computer doing some REAL research into the subject, and give us some FACTUAL information on this topic, since you seem to have a real interest in it Cheryl.

Sparky! What are your observations and knowledge about Canadian health care? (might as well go to the Moose's mouth)

Health care and paying for it is a slippery slope to be sure.
But the credibilty of a president that declares that he is trying to protect America and keep us safe, and uses a veto to kill this bill must be called in to question.
As I have stated before, the worst threats to America come from within, not from the outside. Bush is the best(or worst) example of this.
Fighting a war of choice in Iraq has made us less safe, not more.
Spending Countless billions on this war of choice and then not spending 35 billion over the next 5 years for the health care of children could perhaps put more American lives at stake then might be killed in a terrorist attack.It does however offer protection to insurance corporations which Bush seems more eager to defend.

Bush trys to sell himself as a man on the moral high ground. If it were not so sad, it would be laughable. His embrace of elitism can be seen in his family upbringing. Remember during Katrina when all those folks had it really tough in the Superdome, and Barbara Bush was asked about their plight and made the Marie Anntoinette "let them eat cake" type statement that (paraphrasing)" They are poor and underprivalged anyway, so it's not that tough on them and they should be happy with what they have"? When pressed as you may recall, she stood by her statement. The apple, or the nut, don't fall far from the tree.