This smacks of that magical cosmic Jafo logic but

I have already stated, if Catholics choose to resolve this issue by not offering a Medical Insurance plan to employees, that is their decision.

Look Jafo,

The argument is whether or not churches get a veto power over laws based on faith...I say no. You say?

It doesn't matter what law it is or if you and I agree that it is a good and just law.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here.

Yes you are. The church has offered health insurance to it's employees. Now here you swoop in and say that they must also cover contraception, even if it is against their religious beliefs. Who the hell are you to say such a thing? Who gave you the power to tell people what they must purchase from a private company? Don't say you are not forcing anybody to do anything because it is intellectually dishonest, something I know you are accustomed to, but spare the rest of us please.



So what? Again, who gave you the authority to force me to follow YOUR definition of health? Where is that in the Constitution again? Oh I forgot, you could care less about the Constitution except for the times you hide behind it.




Insurance companies cover what they believe will entice people to purchase their product within their risk parameters.



Again, since you didn't answer me last time, what the Hell does price have to do with Constitutionality? You think the Church is bitching about price? Nice red herring, but cost has nothing to do with it.



Really? How are they being "hurt"? They are free to choose another employer. They are not slaves. They can purchase their own insurance. In fact, once these regulations go into effect, they WILL be buying their own insurance, which I believe is the goal of this entire overreach. It will force private organizations out of providing social services so the benevolent government can swoop in to save the day and say "see, we can't trust you to take care of each other". What a bunch of socialist bullshit.




Because, this is supposed to be a FREE society where entities can choose what products they purchase and not be dictated to by others. You just wait until someone wields this power who you don't agree with. You lemmings just give away this power with no idea how it can be used against you. You wait until your employer has to cover eugenics or some other procedure you find offensive (if you even find eugenics offensive at all).



Because we are a country that believes in religious liberty. We were founded on it. It is noted in the first amendment you love to forget about.



THEN GET A DIFFERENT JOB!



That is what YOU are doing! So answer your own question.



Oh believe me, we are. We are working extremely hard to throw all of this garbage out.



Why stop at medical care? Why is government involved in medical care? You say to help people protect themselves. Well, you can apply the same false reasoning to force people to buy firearms.

No that is not what the argument is about, nice try. The argument is, who gave the federal government the power to force companies to provide services they don't want to provide? There is no Constitutional power for that.

Your response to that, as best I can tell, is that the insurance companies don't care if they cover contraception. It is a cost benefit to them, blah blah blah. Tell me, what cost benefit is it to them if people stop buying their insurance, namely religious organizations hmm? You have no answer for that, so I don't expect you will reply with anything other than "grain of salt".

Well there is always a first..

interesting...

this is what was said, (from page 1...)





(i suppose that top part up there was the comedian jafo?)

Is this from the illiterate Agnes?

nice diversion,,,enough with the hypnosis tactics already!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR_8SDNQ0ks

I am guessing you learned your punctuation and grammar the same time you learned about The Constitution.

so you are a comma nazi now?

No, just literate..

Why he is the infamous literate village idiot!

Hey, there's shithead! About time you got back here!

If you are so unhappy with us why do you hang around?

Wedge issues like this we have been tired of since they told us to wear seat belts. They have better things to do. But its no wonder, that the only industrialized nation with for profit insurance is rated 37th in the world. It doesn't operate out of any common sense. Its cheaper to provide birth control than to end up paying for an abortion. Last I heard abortions were legal, though we wonder much when so many still bring up that they are murder. Back room abortions use to cost a lot of lives. And hell, even if the religious right get their way and outlaw them, the rich could still afford a way to get a safe one. All these wedge issues do, is keep the public's eyes off of the issues, whose fruits, produce the bs. Which to me, is mainly from the greed of the few who bought our Govt.