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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 1:31 am
  

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http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~almccon/pop_soda/

I'm sure we can do something with this...


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 8:30 am
  

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Great Limk, as a follower of the Cola Wars, I am always interested in these stories.

The term "Soda" comes from the early history of having a drink with fizz as a result of the use of sida in the water.

The term "Pop" refers to the sound made by the bottle when the ball or marble was released or pushed in, before the advent of the 1906 Crown Cap which was in use until the advent of the twist top but which can still be found in many southern states.

Both Coke and Coca-Cola are registered trade marks and may only be used to refer to products of the Coca-Cola Company...Yes they do have enforment people who travel the country ensuring that when you ask for a Coke, you only get a Coke product.

Now what was the question, I seem to get carried away with this topic.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 9:10 am
  

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No question. Just there for ruminations such as yours, sir. We call is soda up here in NY. I didn't know that Coke was a generic name in some places. I guess that's a double edged churchkey. Kleenex used to be what we said, at least around here, when we meant tissue. Now that I think of it, I don't rememer anyone using it that way in a long time. It's just "tissue" now and I wonder if Kleenex's feelings are hurt.

Is anyone else annoyed by the new term coined in some commmerical - "delivery pizza"? It's just for the commercial, but I bet it starts creeping into the vocabulary. Stop it now, before it takes hold, I say.


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When I was little, it was always Pop. Than a friend of mine moved to New Jersey, and discovered that soda had nothing to do with ice cream. I also wasn't aware that Coke had become generic for all carbonated beverages. If we're voting, put me down for Pepsi (but I don't drink it that often) Actually, my newest favorite beverage is chai tea. Does any of this make sense to anyone? And if it does, you should be worried! <img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/smile.gif" width=15 height=15>


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 5:09 pm
  

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Is this anything like the bubbler vs water fountain debate?

Personally, I always thought of a water fountain as something you put in a pond or something where the water goes shooting up.

And the soda vs pop? It's always been soda around here, but it's Wisconsin so enough said.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 5:44 pm
  

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To start with, these drinks were served as drugs, Pepsi for despepsia and Coke for headaches, they were sold in drug stores with plain water and the "medicine" mixed.

By accident a sodajerk served soda water with the "medicine" and then it became popular to drink the medicine to refresh one's self. Coca-Cola was first bottled to be taken to the ballgame and sold there....such a silly idea, the rights to bottle the drink were sold for some small sum like one dollar, it was here that the word POP came into being, the poping sound of the gases being released. So, in review, A Coke from the fountain is a Soda, (Soda Fountain, Soda Jerk ect) and a CoKe from the bottle or can is a pop, but were a carmonated beverage made with cola beans is sold, only a Coca-Cola products can legally sold as a Coke. If however a boy asked a girl out for a Coke, he does not mean that she must drink a Coke but it speaking in general terms of any cola product or refreshing ade.

I think I know way too much about these soft drinks, including the history of FANTA, the soft drink Hitler created to serve the German people who were short of sugar and the history of Dr. Pepper, named after the father of the girl that the inventor of the drink wanted to enpress. (ps. the father was not empressed and the boy lost the girl) but the ploy of having coffee breaks at work was a ploy of the Dr. Pepper company during WW2 and it is with us today.

gee way too much information


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 6:49 pm
  

While on my famous road-trip last month (or was it 2 months ago?), I thought we'd be seeing a difference in various locations between soda and pop. But we didn't.

However, we did notice that in some areas of the country, when finishing a meal in a restaurant we are not handed our "check" (I have NO clue why it's called that instead of a "bill"), we were handed our "ticket."

Go figure, one country, same language, different words for the same thing!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 9:12 pm
  

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Way out west, in the small towns, they have a habit of "draging Main", this is where the teenagers hop into cars and drive down main street from one end to the other, then tuen around (flip a Ue) and do it again and again. This habit, I discovered, as a teenager, hitchhiking at the end of town.

Do you have any idea how Twilight Zone it was for a teenage boy to be standing at the edge of a strange town just at sundown, and then all these cars come almost up to me then turn and go away??? I thought maybe they had a force field or something...spooky.

There are many such differences to be found, if one that's the time to notice....

regarding the bill or check, to a certain extent that has to with the ticket it's self, some are printed as "guest checks" but really you are neither guest nor getting a check, in fact you just might have to pay the check and No they will not take a cheque for your check because your cheque may be no good, even if the check you are paying for is for food which was'nt all that good to begin with....maybe you might want to check out Alice's Resturant, I understand that they don't have checks there.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 10:50 pm
  

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I never heard "bubbler" before. It's good to know we can still learn things, no matter how trivial..and I'd say we are plumbing the depths here, but I did start it. I find regional differences very interesting, possibly because I never get very far out of my own region.


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In some parts of New England (not the part I live in) soda/pop is referred to as "tonic". Then there's the milk shake thing. In parts of New England it may be called a "frappe", and in other parts it may be called a "cabinet". Weird.


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Growing up in northeastern Ohio, there has always been the Ohio/Pennsylvania rivalry--gum bands or rubber bands, closet or cupboard, you or y'uns.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 10:35 pm
  

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Cabinet? Now that's a different one. Frappe, I'd heard of. I think there were frappes in the preteen type books I read as a kid. I wasn't sure what it was, but I got the idea that it was soda fountain related. Cabinet, though..never heard that one.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 9:16 am
  

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Yeah, cabinet. It's a Rhode Island thing, although I think it may be becoming archaic at this point. I used to work for a 70 year old photographer in Providence, and she would send me out for a coffee cabinet.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 10:26 am
  

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We're off to the doctor. For today's assigment, contrast and compare sandwiches: Hero, sub, grinder, hoagie or other. It was always a hero in the NY metro area, but chain restaurants are making sub and to some extent hoagie a part of the vocabulary. I notice I'm saying "sub" more than "hero" lately.

For extra credit - Is mass media doing away with these regional differences? Is this a good thing, bad thing or do you have more important things to think about?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 11:34 am
  

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Soda Pop. One of my favorite charactors in 'The Outsiders'. I was pleasently surprized my 9th grader is reading it now, in school. Apparently not everything has changed?

That story must be the 'Dust Bowl Ballad' of Gang stories. Just for it's longevity, if nothing else! I live for analogys....<img src="http://www.arlo.net/ubb/smilies/wink.gif" width=15 height=15>


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