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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:22 pm
  

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:53 pm
  

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Huh I haven't posted on ArloNet for some time now but I couldn't resist this time. Arlo I like what you had to say and support it. All I know is this. What it feels like to me is that that healthcare system is over inflated and in desperate need of reform. I don't think we need a public system we just need to fix what we have and make it actually affordable for workers and businesses alike. Buying local is also a great idea. After all ther's nothing like fresh veggies! :)


When most people talk about health care, they're actually talking about access to health care - not the actual care itself. If the care you get is crap, fighting over access to it seems rather crazy. Access to the treatment you want, is different than access to the treatments available. When a for-profit corporation provides access only to the treatment they decide is good for their shareholders, and refuses to provide access to the kind of treatment you and your doctor decide is beneficial to you, it makes you wonder if you're actually getting health care at all. Life and death health decisions are now in the hands of government bureaucrats and corporate bean counters instead of doctors and patients. Financial rewards for doctors and health care professionals who go along with this are well documented while real doctors who provide real health care are discredited and ridiculed on supposedly informed websites like 'quack watch' funded and supported by corporate interests. You will not hear any serious discussion on this subject on any major media outlet, because even NPR and other supposedly 'good' reliable sources of information are afraid they will lose fortunes and therefore their ability to do the good work they do. No wonder Americans are angered. I know I am.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I am beyond angry. It would take the American people to get the politicians to something about the healthcare situation and unfortunately most folks will not act until they themselves are affected personally. It's a national discussion that desperately needs to take place. Until then we have the system that we have and will have to deal with it. Until then I will question every penny I pay to my doctor, the hospital, labs and especially the insurance companies.. My trust or faith our healthcare system is waining so I will have to be a better consumer and shop around whenever I need health treatment.
-Eric R.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:55 pm
  

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I have cancer. My insurance pays for the Center. It's a franchise. That says most of it. The rest of it is as I understand the recent legal decisions, the US is moving in the direction of outlawing alternatives.

And that's flat fuckin' wrong. It is what it is. My question is, HOW do we change it so it is what we expect or need. It's our dammed country regardless of the webs spun otherwise. How do WE change it?

Is anyone going to help the kids in NYC on Wall Street? I wrote a song. All I got and a nicked up video of their images. Even if we can't go, why can't we creatives get creatin' for them? Isn't that what folk singers do? The ones I love have.

Winters coming. If they stay camped out, it will be bad. If they're alone out there in America, it will be a lot worse.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:38 am
  

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WE need to figure out how to join hands...


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:35 pm
  

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We get health care through a big HMO...and I've recently had two serious eye surgeries (the last one on Sept. 23) to deal with. They didn't have enough retinal specialists to go around, so they had to send me out-of-network for care, which was good. BUT...in order to GET the care, I had to spend hours on the phone getting referrals, approvals, clearances, etc. for care I had a right to have. Did they try to limit my care? You bet they did...I'm very bad for their bottom line. Did I get what I needed? Yes, I did, because I can be a sweet-talking extremely polite persistant person who won't back down when I know I have a right to the care I'm seeking. God help the patients who are not as stubborn or persistant as I am.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:47 pm
  

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Hope you're doing better with the eye. I hate all that red tape.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:44 am
  

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Hey Arlo,

You are dead on with your thoughts, the industrialists have exported our jobs, and made themselves even richer while exploiting child labor in the countries they have established themselves in and all of it done with the support of our government. Then they turn right around and sell it all back to us via Wallmart and other big box stores.

The other point you make is really all about diversity, bio and economic. If you plant corn in a row, you create a path for all those creatures to consume it row after row. If you broadcast it. it is more difficult to harvest but the survival rate is much higher without using DDT or other chemicals.

What made this country great was putting millions of people to work at a wage that enabled them to purchase the products they made i.e. homes, food, clothing, education and yes every now and then a parent could afford to buy their kid a guitar or pay for piano lessons.

Have we forgot that together we stand?

Peace,

Marcus


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:00 am
  

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What made this country great was putting millions of people to work at a wage that enabled them to purchase the products they made i.e. homes, food, clothing, education and yes every now and then a parent could afford to buy their kid a guitar or pay for piano lessons.

Have we forgot that together we stand?

Peace,

Marcus



"There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there—good for you.
But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers that the rest of us paid to educate...Part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along." ~ Elizabeth Warren


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:35 am
  

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So true! Paying forward what a beautiful concept!

nortonkevin wrote:
MarcusGuy wrote:
What made this country great was putting millions of people to work at a wage that enabled them to purchase the products they made i.e. homes, food, clothing, education and yes every now and then a parent could afford to buy their kid a guitar or pay for piano lessons.

Have we forgot that together we stand?

Peace,

Marcus



"There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there—good for you.
But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers that the rest of us paid to educate...Part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along." ~ Elizabeth Warren


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:12 pm
  

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Please forgive my manners.......Welcome to Blunderland!!! :D


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 Post subject: Re: AGs Big Recovery
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:30 pm
  

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Hey thanks! :D

nortonkevin wrote:
Please forgive my manners.......Welcome to Blunderland!!! :D


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This interconnected world is so complicated. The more I look at the ways proposed to try to solve these problems, the more my confusion and concern grows. Do we need to consider the bigger global picture to prevent harming others by keeping things only local? We have already opened Pandora's box. Should we take responsibility for it, or just slam the lid without concern for the rest of the world? Its complicated for my tiny brain to try to grasp. But we have to start somewhere.

We get as much of the food we can fresh, local and organic, as well as from our own backyard garden. As pointed out earlier there are limits to this though, as we can't get everything we want locally. The only way to buy fresh local meat (sorry for this addiction) here is to buy whole or partners in whole, and then have it harvested at the nearest usda approved facility. They are trying to keep us safe, as they harm us at the same time. Change comes slowly. For now we get our organic, free range, grass fed, cage free whatever at the local coop and farmers market. Everything but the beef is from nearby. All the meats have been previously frozen. I look forward to the day when we can get even more things fresh, local and organic.

It seems to me that as our country grew, our problems bloomed along with our population. Then we passed lots of one size fits all - laws to make us safer. I hope that the day comes when we pass new laws that let local farmers and ranchers, who are great at doing what they do, supply us directly. If we need to sign waivers to consume these fresh, raw products (milk and beef) - then I'm fine with that. Will more people be helped vs harmed? I think so because you will be on site, seeing where the product is grown and harvested and be better educated.


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 Post subject: Re: AGs Big Recovery
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:56 pm
  

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adg wrote:
But if one, just one person does it……

I am a big fan. I am also only 53 so perhaps I am still learning but as I read your post it seemed I had heard much of what you are saying before.
The only exception is the infrastructure thing. This whole idea of getting back to a locally focused economy is exactly what I have read for years in Ron Paul's books.
When he speaks of Constitutional government he is speaking of giving back control of our lives to us and our communities. Over our own money and how it is spent. Over what we want to do in our community as far as drugs are concerned. What food we grow and how.
BTW-USDA is now cracking down of raw milk and organics from local farms without a permit now.
When he speaks of capitalism he makes it clear that America has not had true capitalism since Andrew Jackson because corporations started buying politicians which violated the US Constitution.
Not every problem would be solved but it would go a long way. Bigger government on either side has certainly done nothing to help any of us and seems to be a driving force toward this whole globalism thing.
I just wish people would actually read some of his books. He has written several and most are available on Amazon.
Once you read what he believes in then make your choice but don't just accept all the rhetoric. I am sorry if I have broken rules. Please forgive me.
I am just very concerned that if we do not do something radical to turn things around we may lose whatever voice we have left in this nation as a people. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:13 am
  

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Welcome to the site! You're not much older than I am.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:49 am
  

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Cheryl Harrell wrote:
Welcome to the site! You're not much older than I am.

Thanks. I am really looking forward to keeping up with all things Alrlo. I thought it so cool he and Pete went to the Wall Street protests. I don't agree with all they are saying down there but I am certainly angry at the way some of the wealthy in this nation have taken advantage of positions only they are capable of using.


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