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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:59 am
  

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point taken.....i think. :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:45 pm
  

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len wrote:
Stuck in the middle with you.

No, that would be Judy.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:56 pm
  

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You may hafta explain that one to Len! :D


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:50 pm
  

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maybe you ought nota... imagination deprived


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:21 am
  

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Now I have that song stuck in my head... :)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:05 am
  

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Am I stuck in the middle with everyone? Would that make Larry and Arnie everyone's front and back halves then?

I'm getting dizzy....... :?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:52 am
  

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There are six sides if one has to choose sides assuming this is a cubist affair.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:00 pm
  

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Are you talking Picasso Cubism or the idiosyncrasies some one from Cuba? (I think I may have just terminated another thread)


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:22 pm
  

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I know some one who has dual citizenship in Canada & the US. They go to Canada for major health care.


I find that interesting considering many from here opt to go to the US for health matters to circumvent the agonizing long waits here.

Our health care system is based more socialistic system than the US. Or at least that is the appearance.

We have two heavy tax basis as a dipping fund for it. The GST (Goods and Services tax) and the HST (Harmonized Sales Tax ).
So it ‘aint’ free. Although it probably does not cost a much as the US.
But then the population here is much less.

However, with our health care we run into the problrm of the whole system bogging down.

It is not uncommon for someone needing lets say an MRI or some sort of other diagonosti for a serious condition to go on a waiting list for many months to over a year.

They can in some circumstances opt to pay for it themselves out of their pocket and have it done much sooner
Problem then is we make a two tier system. Those that can afford it go to the head of the line, the ones that can not spare the extra cost can wait.

As an example; several weeks ago there was a young man that arrived at the local Emerg. with breathing problems. His waiting time was to be at least 12 hours plus.
He left................he died several hours after.

The ER doctors in this country are now admitting that people are dying in ERs because of the system. The ones on the health care front line know the screw ups but unfortunately have very little control.
I can only imagine how frustrating it must be.


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“Real reform requires a paradigm shift in our thinking. We must realize that the bottom of the health care reform food chain is FOOD. As long as big money (Monsanto, Big Agra, Big Pharma, Big Soy, Corn, Coke, and Pepsi etc.) keeps us from healthy, real food, natural medicines, and family farms growing organic foods, we will become sicker and sicker ourselves, and more profitable to others.”


Yes, I could not absolutely agree more. As far as I am concerned the same philosophy should apply North of the 49th parallel also.

I just really hate like Hell to see an old person, young person or poor person denied health care because of insurance company profits or stupidity of politicians and I don’t care what side of the border it is.


Ron


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:24 pm
  

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Who is Picasso and what is he doing in my cube, Atropos?

I didn't know the Moirae were Arlo fans, and, BTW, aren't you a chick in a well-hung sheet?

How to pay for the public option, that is the nut of the thing. The fear mongering will lose to compassion.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:09 pm
  

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As Fate would have it, I'm not a "chick" and wasn't talking about that kind of thread. Besides, Mom told me never to run with scissors!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:44 am
  

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Dennis Kucinich on the health care "debate":

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =506394143


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:33 pm
  

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Arlo as usual you make more sense than most of the people who think about this stuff for a living. I said it before here and it never changes:
Capitalism has no soul. It exists for the purpose of generating and expanding capital. Doesn't matter if it's health care, food, or some of the music generated by Hollywood and Orlando hitmakers.

A small correction, and I may be wrong, but I don't think so...in our great Commonwealth (?), ...(MA) dental insurance is not required by law...though regular health insurance is and MASSHealth (the "state" AKA government run plan) may have some dental coverage. My dental insurance stinks. It will let me go to whoever I want to do whatever I want them to,....but it pays such a small amount it's almost a joke when you get the bill.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:47 pm
  

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A commonsense government health care reform policy would insure that every single American has full access to healthcare by expanding Medicare to cover everyone under a Single Payer System. We are already paying for a universal standard of care, it is just we are not getting it.


I agree with Kucinich. I don't know how to square that with Arlo's point about choosing kinds of health care.

Governments run systems by "systematizing" them. One face of that is bureaucracy, another is the standards for transactable products. Arlo cited the Codex Alimentarius (sounds like a spook but it's a book) as an example of such. How to get an expanded definition that includes alternative medicines if the individual so chooses is important to expanding not just the coverage but the types available. That expands freedom. America as I know it is a country that expands freedom for its citizens. Otherwise, we become a nanny nation.

Health care reform is bigger than the coverage, but what is most important is that we finally move away from a system where having coverage is used as the whip to keep people at work and turn it into the nourishment that enables them TO work.

The fact that America has such a hard time understanding that boggles.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:05 am
  

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Anthony Weiner makes the case for Medicare for Everyone to a stunned Java Joe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LX0nPFKkow&feature=related If you like part 1, be sure to watch part 2. Even Joe admits at the end that, though he disagrees with Weiner, he appreciates the clarity with which he states the case. For this kind of discussion, very little in the way of raised voices. (!)


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