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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:25 pm
  

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agnes wrote:
and while we are grappling with domestic abuse and sexual assault issues in the news today, i am reminded of this excerpt again from a holy guide book


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leoburg wrote:
Oh, I like to spell god with a small g as to break the IMAGE which many rightfully think is bs. Being dyslexic when I was a kid, I often spell it dog.

There was next to nothing I was quoting from the Bible which you will hear your local preacher talking about. I found a few things not out of context of these times, which add up to Liberty to me. But today, you mention the Bible and people think you are talking about what the established church talks about.

Sorry but it is going to take people who understand it is all going to happen in the flesh this time too, for us to ever solve Isreal-Gaza, or to solve any of the trash going on today.

S


you said you forgot. as appalling as it is?

"oh that,,,," (?)

i am not talking about how "the established church" conveys or whatever….i am reading right out of the bible,,,which is relied on (by many) as the word of god

i do not rely on the words of anyone as conveying the word of god!

anyhow, here is the post where i was referring to judges….

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leoburg wrote:
We have been sold so much trash from the established church, that people rightfully are turned off to there being any truth at all in the Bible.

"Back before the world began, back before that too, you took me in your confidence told me I was you. Now that I think about it while I walk along the shore I can not help but laugh. If I thought that I knew, that to get across to you was this high and winding stairs, I'd be there."-adg from stairs, and he was there at important times. What if adg ends up being the Ancient Old Hippie of Days with the hair white as wool in Daniel 7? If I am number 9 Michael as I claim, Arlo is... if that all is not true, the world is doomed.


okay…here are some more bible verses for you….

judges 19

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=TLB

continued

judges 20

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=TLB

notice judges 20:4-10 (not to leave out the rest of it, mind you)

he seemed to neglect to mention that he had pushed his wife/concubine out the door for the rapist murderers

minor detail?

then of course, the righteous indignation ensues


i see a lot of parallels even today!


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we humans have a lot of potential, still we are a goofy lot and we need to address our issues (we do have them), without superstition (and "tradition") ?


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"It is what it is, as it were." - ADG

Maybe there's a wee bit of huggermuggering going on and maybe there's not but whatever. So okay, maybe we can actually agree on a minor bible study:

"Let us make man in our image.....male and female he created them..." (Genesis by 'Moses')

So let's assume that this is 'God' talking about Her and Himself. A spiritual hermaphrodite, if you pardon my interpretation but if you are offended by that word 'spiritual' just pass over. Religion, like sex has been debated, defended, attacked, loved, hated, probed, dissected and perhaps a tad boring in an exciting sort of way, depending on one's position in relation to the matter. Rather than just keep on making hay ad nauseam why not just agree to disagree and move on to something maybe more beneficial to grow? For instance: What are the bets that someone will come up with a better than 'multi-orgasmatic female viagra' discovery before they come up with a final solution to the Middle East problem that pleases both sides? Maybe there really is such an ergonomic truth to be discovered and rather than passing placebos? Imagine something else, be it just pleasurably platonic but achieving a climax of Peace and Goodwill on this thread rather than some wordy intercourse about the normal interaction of time and space. Lets "Increase and multiply" folks and stuff the begrudgers by making peace and not pseudo war about whatever....? (There's enough war about!) Peace, Goodwill etc are just words. What if the words became 'flesh'?
What if You, him, her, me, made those words 'flesh'? ( what a crazy notion)


Just a rant about dumb perspective :wink:

"It is what it is, as it were." - ADG

Orgasmic Peace and Love to below and above!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:03 pm
  

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Agnes, rather than "what?"

Does a WHAT IF! not tickle your fancy a weee bit more than the drumming buzz of a mere "what?"........or do you still not feel where the "WHAT IF" is coming from?

Leo, maybe you have some buzzing insight but maybe you might know a different song rather than depending on old Danny boy?

"What the world needs now is LOVE sweet LOVE. It's the only thing there's much too little of......" :oops:

The answer lies in peace and understanding such words, don't you think?

Peace and the joy making love to all aboard the 'Electric Banana' and feel free to buzzzz away...:roll: Life is too short for the whatevers, whoevers or whenevers when we can have a tickle of love music here and there and perhaps everywhere...

"If readers understand that they do not understand what they are reading then they must possess an understanding which is superior to the meaning which caused that misunderstanding." - ADG

Let your free love flow...

( this wee magic moment is for and to and because of my darling honey bunch on our upcoming wedding anniversary. Love ya my blond blue eyed venus in blue jeans hippie girl. Those three beautiful weeks in Israel/Palestine and the rest! XXX)
Hope you enjoy folks... :P

http://youtu.be/pB1pV8zRVaw

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Agnes, rather than "what?"

Does a WHAT IF! not tickle your fancy a weee bit more than the drumming buzz of a mere "what?"........or do you still not feel where the "WHAT IF" is coming from?

Leo, maybe you have some buzzing insight but maybe you might know a different song rather than depending on old Danny boy?

"What the world needs now is LOVE sweet LOVE. It's the only thing there's much too little of......" :oops:

The answer lies in peace and understanding such words, don't you think?

Peace and the joy making love to all aboard the 'Electric Banana' and feel free to buzzzz away...:roll: Life is too short for the whatevers, whoevers or whenevers when we can have a tickle of love music here and there and perhaps everywhere...

"If readers understand that they do not understand what they are reading then they must possess an understanding which is superior to the meaning which caused that misunderstanding." - ADG

Let your free love flow...

( this wee magic moment is for and to and because of my darling honey bunch on our upcoming wedding anniversary. Love ya my blond blue eyed venus in blue jeans hippie girl. Those three beautiful weeks in Israel/Palestine and the rest! XXX)
Hope you enjoy folks... :P

http://youtu.be/pB1pV8zRVaw

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it is like a red herring factory exploded


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Woody our Maine Coon cat came back filthy after leach un-buckled by mistake. He was named after a nick name Marie gave to friend of mine living in the words fall 2010 when she visited from here in antwerp. He moved in that winter.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:03 pm
  

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Arlo, our latest family mutt addition (mentioned in dispatches last year) thinks he's a cat having been hanging around with Ginger (the Alpha cat) but he ain't caught no birdys yet. He may actually be the only wee pup in Ireland named after you know who! (Gets on like a young Arlo all right and lots of fun) and he sure does love the grass!!!

I suppose we got red herrings buzzing about here and there in Ireland. It's the flying fish I listen out for and here come a true story as recalled by a member of the media reference a real flying fish which was aired on TV just last week.

During the early part of the "Troubles" in Belfast there happened to have been a riot going on (the norm in those days) A young reporter was advised to keep his head down as all sorts of missiles were passing to and fro. Declining the sound advice the young reporter popped his head one more time over the top of the barricade when lo and behold he was struck down having been knocked out cold by a flying fish on a street in the middle of Belfast.

Some rioters had broken into a fish shop and liberated some frozen fish and used same as weapons of destruction against the enemy! The guy on TV reckoned that this young reporter must have been the only person during the "Troubles" to have not only been struck by a flying fish but probably the only person in Ireland to have been knocked out cold in such a unique and novel manner. (Probably learnt a valuable lesson about flying fish but have no information as to the species, colour or creed of the said fish in question...)
Wouldn't like to imagine what way the "Troubles" may have turned out if the boys had broken into a red herring factory but probably would have led to some big frozen fishy tales flying around! (We used to go fishing for trout & salmon etc but decommissioned our rods a few years ago)

Ps Agnes: I ain't never been to a red herring factory. (Are they Russian?) :wink:
I'm kind of now wondering if there's such a thing as a jelly fish factory but too be sure we all know that there's Cod Factories all over the world but a 'red herring factory'. Me thinks you're pulling my leg Agnes? Everyone knows herrings arn't red but as for flying fish.....Well I saw them on TV! I wonder do they fish for red herrings in the Middle East or even right here in the Dump and more's to the point - do they catch any big ones? :)

Peace, Goodwill and the rest from a minnow buzzing across the wee Pond. (The one that got away)

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"Sometimes I am afraid of being Me." - ADG (Me too butt......here's another one to catch from Woodstock)

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Maybe we could end this thread and jumpship to something better.

Maybe just close your eyes, breathe in and find your peace with this wee buzzer:

Peace and Love

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"Empty yourself of yourself, and let what is, flow through you without concern. Drink from the river of emptiness tonight." - D'Iryama (as written by ADG)

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Nay keep the page open until the end of the 15 pages, which will then close be itself. It's tough to talk about Israel without getting at least a little Biblical. When Israel starts to do the deeds of Abraham to Gaza, is when I will start to call them his children. Collective punishment are not those deeds. Have brought up in this thread that it is all going to happen in the flesh this time too, just as the religious leaders were not ready for that 2000 years ago. Sadly not many understand what the new way found in Steve Miller's Space Cowboy is about. The people are going to have a blast when it's widely understood. http://youtu.be/eOGPWk6VONM And Miller's Your Saving Grace song written in the early 70's has a strange parallel to my life in 94 when a hot lady woke up my social conscience, but left me as driftwood wood on the shore. She was the miracle I had been looking for down inside, to change my life ever since hearing the Moody Blues sing Question, and she never answered while I was knocking on the door. http://youtu.be/47mPt3kJjvs


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Well let's hope we reach the end of page fifteen before something else bloody happens!

Don't mind at all hearing other folks biblical positions and you are right re the biblical connection with Israel and the Middle East just as Agnes is on the ball re some of its more, lets not get too hot, unsavoury if not despicable recordings that some 'religious' folks would rather not be there especially when it involves 'Holy' god. Anyhows Leo, looks like the good old USA is blowing the trumpet for civilisation again and who knows where we shall all be after this long term (clinical) war. Expect the outcome might even be of biblical proportions and expect the arms industry hope so as well. Amazing how ISIS just popped up when it did? And even after over 200,000 mainly innocent men, women and children getting slaughtered and gassed it only took a few (awful and butchered) US sacrificial murders by ISIS to get the President to about turn. Lets hope justice prevails and lets hope we get to page 15 before another 'ISIS' pops up somewhere else.

If I was ever to have been an advisor to the god of the bible in some past reincarnation I would have advised the almighty to have chosen either the North or South Poles as the 'Promised Land'.
Probably wouldn't have had the mess we have in the world today but sure that mightn't have been fair to the eskimos, polar bears and seals never mind the penguins etc though it more than likely have still led to global warming, if not a couple more melting pots.

Peace

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Ps. Thanks again Leo. Listened to the links and then "The Joker" SMB :)


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"It is no exaggeration to say that humanity's future depends on us uniting against those who would divide us along fault lines of tribe or sect; race or religion," Obama said in an address before the U.N. General Assembly.
"This is not simply a matter of words. Collectively, we must take concrete steps to address the danger posed by religiously motivated fanatics, and the trends that fuel their recruitment."
At the same time, Obama stressed that the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam."

Could you repeat that Mr President Bush

"It is no exaggeration to say that humanity's future depends on us uniting against those who would divide us along fault lines of tribe or sect; race or religion," Obama said in an address before the U.N. General Assembly.
"This is not simply a matter of words. Collectively, we must take concrete steps to address the danger posed by religiously motivated fanatics, and the trends that fuel their recruitment."
At the same time, Obama stressed that the United States "is not and never will be at war with Islam."

Oops! Here we go again! just another wee war...... :cry:


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I'll keep hoping those 144,000 written about in Revelations 14 show up soon. I think we need about 144 million of them. I do believe that they are the ones with insight in Daniel 12:3 who lead many to righteousness. They have to be some of the holy ones who power is just about shattered as is written of in Daniel 12:7. They are going to take over the TV, which is the powers of heaven to be shaken in Matthew 24:29. We will know who most of them are, for have loved them our whole lives for the music, movies and other things they have done.


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I'll keep hoping those 144,000 written about in Revelations 14 show up soon. I think we need about 144 million of them. I do believe that they are the ones with insight in Daniel 12:3 who lead many to righteousness. They have to be some of the holy ones who power is just about shattered as is written of in Daniel 12:7. They are going to take over the TV, which is the powers of heaven to be shaken in Matthew 24:29. We will know who most of them are, for have loved them our whole lives for the music, movies and other things they have done.


Leo,
I sure hope that you're not hoping to make Telly Evangelists out of great music folks not to mention 'movie' folks like Arlo?

Of course it would a bit remiss of me not to mention to you that there’s at least 144,000 folks out there belonging to some fellowship of ‘believers’ that definitely KNOW that you Leo, are in calamitous error. But not me Leo. I believe that every one of a peace loving and goodwill inclination should be open enough to allow other folks to see the error of their ways without pointing fingers.
Like all sorts and kinds of people have interpreted and even translated the ‘good books’ down through the ages and I imagine that some of them must have hoped to have been in the running as a humble one of the 144,000?

And then you have the ones in the know who will do almost anything in order to get you to ‘believe’ and I am not talking about nuts like ISIS. (e.g.. inquisition)

But then Leo, given all that good music you and us like and your take on things, there’s probably at least 144,000 beautiful reasons for knowing that you are indeed right but then again Agnes don’t believe or even think so.

Some may even judge you (and me) to be partaking or having partaken in some kind of ‘psychoactive substance’ and that’s the reason we write what we communicate by the way we write. One doesn’t even need to write stuff and nonsense here in order to get hammered, accused, belittled. One just has to mention one of Arlo’s songs and Walla, one has landed one’s self in a big old pickle!

So. Okay Leo. I don’t believe you’re going to make any new converts to your way of believing or even meet any folks who, apart from Agnes, who actually give a damn about what you write but I do Leo, I do. And in stating this I am going to give a link that even Agnes should enjoy eating. I hope but who knows, I isn’t a prophet of any awl sorts. (We seem to be getting stuck in a brief moment of time Leo – like what about all the before and after stuff and people?)

Anyway I'm hoping to be one of the lucky ones to get raptured if in fact the 'Rapture' hasn't already happened. (God willing and hopefully he got my name written down in the right book but just in case, I'd like to take this opportunity to mention a few words from the Bible: Proverbs 20:24 which reads " A man's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way"?)

Here's the heavenly link and watch you don't backslide! :wink:

http://youtu.be/HfFM4Ilt4Rs

And what you think, was this man one of the 144,000 (He should be!)

http://youtu.be/V1bFr2SWP1I

Peace and Goodwill
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The time of those with insight in Daniel 12:3, who will shine brightly, is getting closer all of the time. I have always called Daniel 12:3 a lost jewel. I am sure that after those 144,000 are sealed on their foreheads, they will have much insight. It is said of them that they will sing a song only they can learn. I'd like to hear that song on the TV. They have a simple eternal gospel which is, "fear god and give him glory for the hour of his judgement has come." It is clear to me that the TV is as corporate controlled as DC is, so I see a much better time when the true holy people are in control, which is part of that judgement. I have met enough who understand it is all going to happen in the flesh this time too.

Nothing to say about your comment 69 about turning the 144,000 into TV Evangelist or myth of a rapture they talk of.


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How about if the 12 sections of the world have a local vote for 12,000 people? We can give them control of the local news media for 70 weeks to see if they can turn things around. Of course the regulars can report their news. And for that time the profits from the msm will be used to run the communities they profit in.

Gonna call good dr back and take him up on his suggestion of a hospital in the country for a mental check up. Learning to play some pretty good 3-banks and free ball here with the Flemish. Will buy a book on Dutch for that week. Miss home a lot. Think 5 grand too much spent of my 10% from Family Home will pay off when I do return. Sent my dr and them my short story...after last seeing them. We will have some interesting conversations when we meet again, for Miller's song is calling me back to where I belong. But we have a nice home here with Marie and still filthy Woody. This back up is a pain to type on since great one got worn out in 2 years. It will be fixed and all the breaks from cyberspace for me is a good thing. But it is a good habit which will pay off better than money for all.

What happened to me 20 years ago at a Club I had played great pool in for 6 years, (must never happen to anyone ever again.) who should have known me better when jungle love drove me out of there and my beloved Abbey Road condo around the block, walking distance from. And yes am partly to blame, but so were others around a lady who we had the toughest time getting 5 minutes alone to sort out feelings. It was a jungle. Her X almost got killed by a car before being thanked for flowers and other complications like still being legally married who left a year before form 2 week visit to family in California. My main bitch of it all is rooted in the fruits of the 80's who got the TV into throwing so many stones, that after the explosion...started to be called THE-MEDIA-RIGHT-STORM for the stone throwing witnessed by me descending into society, who couldn't mind their own business anymore.


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If you think that because I mention the Bible... and you "think" that I am preaching the gospel of the religious right, your minds must be so closed, that I hope someone opens them someday. The religious right in America is the little horn of Daniel 7. The 4 beasts of that chapter are here. Russia China and America, with the 4th with the horns being the church itself. The 10 horns being the churches which came out of Rome, in Europe. The court of Daniel 7 will sit for judgement and give the kingdoms to those who do the deeds of Abraham.


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No Leo, I have been reading what you write and am fairly confident in believing that you are not of the religious right brand of Bible thumpers. If I was to put you in that camp might as well put 'satan' as seemingly that character in the Bible could, would and did quote a few words including to Jesus. Anyone can read, quote, sing, write etc but that don't necessary make them religious, or right or even good, bad or even ugly for that matter. (The 'good' thief on the cross might be an interesting example, or not?)

But and its with the one 't' Leo. You do seem to have gotten stuck in, with or because of something you experienced that makes you then go quoting the Bible in a way that sounds a tad 'religious'?
Thing is, as Agnes may have pointed out on more that one occasion, or none, you keeping on harping on the same passages of the bible and I suppose what I am wondering is do you actually believe that the writers of the 'Bible' were divinely inspired and if so, by whom? This isn't a flippant reply but it is one thing or the other. For example Jesus clearly states in the gospel of John that he is in fact I AM! There are lots more examples but Leo, you should consider such a statement he is purported to have made which may beg the question: Was he mad, was he who he claimed to be or was he something else?

In relation to your interpretations of scripture. Your guess is just as good as for example, Billy Graham, any Pope, any saint, or really anybody but you should also consider that folks, good, bad and whatever the flavour of the day was (and is) got into trouble of sorts, even excommunicated. We do happen to know of some folks that that happened too (not us of course!) but some people even lost everything, including their very lives for 'going off the rails'. (And I'm not talking horney stuff either!)

In conclusion Michael. I believe that we shall never reach a conclusion unless we agree to conclude that what ever may or may not happen in the future (near or far) life is too short and death a wee bit tooo permanent not to reach out in peace and goodwill. Hopefully, some joy or good might get us right in the pants but if not why not wonder at the stars together or even write about Israel/Palestine in a fashion that is maybe unfashionable, irresistible or even funny?
Godwilling She or He might spare us the freezing fires of someone's all consumming 'Hell' and warm the cockles of the angels? Who knows, we might even be entraining angels as we write - who knows the mind of GOD! (especially one with no balls....)

Peace and understanding Leo, cause hell if I do and Hell if I don't! :wink:

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(This thread in a small, wee stupid unintellectual, non member of the intelligensia way kind of reminds me of one of C.S. Lewis' books. I think it was called the 'Screwtape Letters' or someting like that title. Apart from the 'Narnia' tales and 'Out of the Silent Planet' it was one of the only books by Lewis that I enjoyed)

Ps. Nearly there Leo...... the end may just be in sight!


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