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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:24 pm
  

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Turbine wind farms are horrible. They kill untold amount of raptors (birds), other birds, bats and other living beings. There are other types of wind machines, besides these massive spinning blades. I wish the people who put those things up would wake up and pay attention... or care.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:45 pm
  

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Dragonfly wrote:
Turbine wind farms are horrible. They kill untold amount of raptors (birds), other birds, bats and other living beings. There are other types of wind machines, besides these massive spinning blades. I wish the people who put those things up would wake up and pay attention... or care.


a fair point to consider

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180948154/


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 Post subject: Re: stuff about stuff
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:18 pm
  

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agnes wrote:
Dragonfly wrote:
Turbine wind farms are horrible. They kill untold amount of raptors (birds), other birds, bats and other living beings. There are other types of wind machines, besides these massive spinning blades. I wish the people who put those things up would wake up and pay attention... or care.


a fair point to consider

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180948154/


another interesting page (4 pages referenced)
http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... -birds.htm

i think we can get it right when we try


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:03 am
  

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Tried to get back here sooner and got tied up with some family things and genealogy.

Anyway, I have done some research on this in the past and this was not everything I found, of course. I have even written to my governor as we are about to go to total wind turbines across the entire state and this state has a massive Bald Eagle population. I got no response, of course. :roll:

Anyway, these are just a few of the alternative types I have found and I really like these "trees". I think they look cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpeD4pl1h9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVPo7SGxCk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im8W4z4og-8


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:07 am
  

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it says the wind "tree" thing can provide 3.1 KW, but over what period of time?

i’d also like to see the break down of how it would pay for itself ($36,500) in a few years.

it is a little lean on details.

looking for something more comprehensive

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180948154/

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... -birds.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds1.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds2.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds3.htm


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:13 am
  

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All you have to do is watch interviews with the men who are hired by the power companies to pick up the bird bodies and that says it all. One works at least 8 hours a day driving back and forth from one turbine to another, picking up eagles all day because he says the companies really don't want it to be known just how many are killed. Yep, says it all to me. These scientific sites that probably get a salary for saying it doesn't really kill that many and I don't believe them. Go on any Eagle or raptor page such as Eagle On Alliance and see what they are saying.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:31 pm
  

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okay, the links i have already posted go into various things including better placement of turbines (avoiding likely migratory routes and such) and changes in design to reduce such incidents.

they also go into various other sources of avian casualties as well.

according to what i have read, i understand that cell towers (communication towers) are a source of many bird casualties. millions per year, i understand. here too they are trying to make the towers more bird friendly.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/24/510811662 ... ome-lights


agnes wrote:
it says the wind "tree" thing can provide 3.1 KW, but over what period of time?

i’d also like to see the break down of how it would pay for itself ($36,500) in a few years.

it is a little lean on details.

looking for something more comprehensive

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180948154/

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... -birds.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds1.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds2.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds3.htm


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:57 pm
  

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http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/r ... farms.html


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https://savetheeagles.wordpress.com/birdkill-pictures/

http://inhabitat.com/bladeless-wind-tur ... literally/


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:09 pm
  

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seriously, this ain’t no fresh hell.

and you forgot about the cell towers, among other things

so done

agnes wrote:
okay, the links i have already posted go into various things including better placement of turbines (avoiding likely migratory routes and such) and changes in design to reduce such incidents.

they also go into various other sources of avian casualties as well.

according to what i have read, i understand that cell towers (communication towers) are a source of many bird casualties. millions per year, i understand. here too they are trying to make the towers more bird friendly.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/24/510811662 ... ome-lights


agnes wrote:
it says the wind "tree" thing can provide 3.1 KW, but over what period of time?

i’d also like to see the break down of how it would pay for itself ($36,500) in a few years.

it is a little lean on details.

looking for something more comprehensive

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180948154/

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... -birds.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds1.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds2.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds3.htm


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:16 pm
  

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What is "fresh hell' and are you telling me I don't know what I am talking about? I don't understand what you mean by all of that. You are "so done" with me?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:20 pm
  

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Dragonfly wrote:
What is "fresh hell' and are you telling me I don't know what I am talking about? I don't understand what you mean by all of that. You are "so done" with me?


more distraction


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:23 pm
  

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agnes wrote:
Dragonfly wrote:
What is "fresh hell' and are you telling me I don't know what I am talking about? I don't understand what you mean by all of that. You are "so done" with me?


more distraction


Distraction from what? That wind turbines are A-ok?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:26 pm
  

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agnes wrote:
seriously, this ain’t no fresh hell.

and you forgot about the cell towers, among other things

so done

agnes wrote:
okay, the links i have already posted go into various things including better placement of turbines (avoiding likely migratory routes and such) and changes in design to reduce such incidents.

they also go into various other sources of avian casualties as well.

according to what i have read, i understand that cell towers (communication towers) are a source of many bird casualties. millions per year, i understand. here too they are trying to make the towers more bird friendly.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/24/510811662 ... ome-lights


agnes wrote:
it says the wind "tree" thing can provide 3.1 KW, but over what period of time?

i’d also like to see the break down of how it would pay for itself ($36,500) in a few years.

it is a little lean on details.

looking for something more comprehensive

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180948154/

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... -birds.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds1.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds2.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/enviro ... birds3.htm


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:28 pm
  

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Unacceptable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8u6B1fm4QQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ma2ztFoYs

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/ar ... gle-deaths

http://windmillskill.com/


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